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  1. I was about to ask if there was any word on an ETA for 44, but I won't now. :) I will say that I'm starting to have major withdrawal symptoms.

    Now let's see... where was I...oh yeah, Book One, Part 1, Chapter 1, "It was the cold that woke me."...

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    Take care

    TomasG

  2. Clarke's "Childhood's End" was what got him added to the list of authors that I read back in the "dark ages". The title to Bradbury's work is "Fahrenheit 451". Supposedly, 451°F being the temperature that book paper combusted. Never did get into his "Martian Chronicles". Asimov's "Foundation Series" kept me occupied for quite awhile. Bester's "Demolished Man" and "The Stars My Destination" were other books on the reading list.

    A bit of trivia. Did you know that J. Michael Straczynski named the character Bester the Psi-cop on "Babylon Five" after Alfred Bester the writer?

    Of the modern writers I found Larry Niven's "Ringworld Series" and "Integral Trees" along with his and Jerry Pournelle's "Footfall" provided some enjoyable reading.

    Haven't done much reading of "Hard Science Fiction" these past years. Been more into the "Fantasy" Genre with some SF thrown in. Enjoyed Raymond E. Feist's "Rift War Saga", but the later of his saga's became more formula (same theme rehashed) than any new or original content so became boring and I stopped following his novels.

    My Online reading is rather diverse. Mostly just fill in while awaiting another chapter of "Scrolls". :) "Scrolls" is only the second online story that I would wait patiently for another chapter no matter the time for it to be posted without losing interest. The other story is Kyle Aaron's "Kandric Saga". Been following that one since the beginning some 9 - 10 years now. Long time for 26 chapters.

    As I mentioned in my other post "Enigmna" is a nice story and it is obvious that Keene has an innovative imagination and a talent for putting that on paper. I have read all 23 chapters and found it to be an interesting story, but one that I could easily lose interest in if the time between chapters was extensive.

    Anyway that's enough for now. Got to get some sleep.

    Take care

    TomasG

  3. Enigma is a nice story. Sufficient to hold ones interest, at least for a time. Keene is a good writer, but I'm not sure that I would put him on the same level as Jamie, but that is just my opinion. Having grown up with the likes of Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Bester, Bradbury, Ellison, et al, it took me a very long time before I stopped comparing other SF writers to them and finding the other writers lacking.

    But that is just me.

  4. Along with pietro and not to stir up any debate on the subject and only meant as friendly totally off-topic comment*. :) Contrary to popular belief, the US is not and has never been a Democracy. It is a Republic... a Representative Republic.

    Also, as with pietro I'll not respond to or make any further post on this subject.

    NOW... back to the topic of The Origins of the Vosh.

    It is obvious that the Vosh have some connection with the prisoners from Stone Gate, I can't think of any other reason for the coats of the four Vosh Doshen to be the same as the standard prison garb of the prisoners. A light grey coat with three red strips on the sleeves.

    We don't know for sure that any but the tortured and maimed prisoners volunteered to act as shields for the Gahdar at angels falls. I just assumed that all of the Kalorian prisoners had been tortured and maimed, but Castor wasn't and although many were, we don't have any evidence that all of them were. I don't recall that there was any reference as to number of Kalorian prisoners rescued. Perhaps, some of the prisoners survived, made it through the gate at Angels Falls, and they were the ones that ventured into the Ardentin and are the ancestors of the Vosh. It is entirely possible that they were, but assumptions based on flimsy or non-existent evidence can lead to very wrong conclusions. We may never learn the origin. Only if it is important to the continuance of the story.

    Jamie did estimate that 95% of the 7081 that passed through the gate were the Kalorian children. That would mean that of the 7081 only about 6725 were children and the rest were adults.

    Take Care

    TomasG

    *Not that we don't freguently stray off topic on occasion with ill effect. LOL

  5. SNIP...

    As to Jamie and Nik surviving, well it is considered bad form to kill off your heros and there is another clue that might not be picked up. Jamie warns the forces hurrying to protect the pass to Taldor Valoren not to engage Loran directly, it would be impossible for them to kill him. That being the case, since Jamie is a far more 'complete' wizard than Loran the corollary is that not much is likely to kill Jamie, either.

    As to reading preferences, who am I to criticise? But I will say that if you have not read, or aren't reading, the vampire story "Gone from Daylight" you are really missing an excellent story.

    I've always thought that Jamie would defeat Loran at Ondra, but then step down as Wizard in favor of Charlie. Jamie has said on several occasions that he doesn't want to be the Wizard and Nic has said that he doesn't want to be a King. Jamie is all about keeping his promises. When he accomplishes that, his tast will be completed.

    I'm probably wrong, but I have believed that Charlie would somehow end up being the Wizard. When he mated with Giovanni it furthered that belief, and that they would be the ones to restore Altinestra to it's former glory. We have in them another paring of the de Valén and Agramos bloodlines.

    To each his own when it comes to reading preferences.

    Even though there are genres of stories that I have very little interest in reading, such as vampire stories, I try to maintain an open mind about them because occasionally one shows up that is reasonably well written and has a decent plotline (and is not all about blood, guts and gore even though some of that is there) that makes them a nice temporary escape from reality. Of course any genre of fiction, especially the Fantasy or Science Fiction genres requires at a minimum, a partial "Suspension of Disbelief" which some people are incapable of.

    You're right about Comicality's "Gone From Daylight". I almost didn't bother with it since vampire stories are not normally on my reading list, but it is different than your run of the mill vampire story. Another vampire story that I stumbled across is Arthur's "Prince of the House of Vlad" on nifty/gay/sf-fantasy. It too is different and not your typical bloodsucking vampire story. If you like GFD, you might enjoy it. There are 18 chapters on nifty, but it is starting to be posted on Wolfsnest. The first two chapters have been posted there. I usually can't be bothered with vampire stories, books and movies, but these are two vampire stories that don't suck. Well... :)

    I'm not sure that the origins of the Vosh is as important as their obvious loyalty to the Protector because of their prophecy.

    Take care

    TomasG

  6. Snip...Mystery stories I can accept, its the Vampire stories I cannot abide! Every time I turn around these days there is a story called Sci/fi with a heard of Vampires and other supernatural creatures in it. This isn't science fiction, nor is it fantasy. The correct genre for Vampire stories and the like is Horror. One of the reasons I read TSOI is that there is not hint of vampires or any other super or preternatural character.Once you've read one vampire story, you've read them all. All they do worry about being murderers because they are now carnivores that need human blood to live. Darn it all, so do Vampire bats and mosquitoes. Someone invent a Vampire that doesn't drain its victim please? Doesn't this basically make sense? The concept of vampires is flawed, its basically the same as when Marry Shelly wrote the first Vampire story. Lets have some creativity here.cheers,dioscuri

    Sorry, Mary Shelly did "Frankenstein" not vampires. The popularity of vampires began with John Polidori's "The Vampyre" in 1819. It is Bram Stroker's 1897 novel "Dracula" that further popularized and provided the stereotypical vampire that is the basis of the modern vampire genre of horror novels, films and TV shows.

    Remember, all such stories are fiction. As is TSOI. Fiction being "the class of literature comprising works of imaginative narration, esp. in prose form". Being fiction, the characters, events, plot lines and any other elements of such stories are all the products of the writers imagination and it is the province of the author of the fiction as to whether or not it has any relation to reality.

    Many people like the vampire genre stories. I'm not overly fond of them, so the simple solution for me is to ignore them.

    My favorite genres are Science Fiction and Fantasy or a combination of the two. I don't read Science Fiction stories with the expectation that all of the science has any relation to real science. Key word there is "fiction". The Fantasy genre kind of speaks for it self, no reality there.

    I read and follow TSOI for no other reason than it is a great story. Whether or not the genetic manipulation in the story that created the Icarians or the Kalorians reflects the current genetic research in the real world is irrelevant. The same is true of the mirror gates and research into teleportation devices. It's irrelevant, it's not important. What is important is if it fits and enhances the story. What may be more important is the authors talent and skill in being able to grab and hold the attention of and provide some enjoyment for the reader. Jamie has those in spades and is, IMHO, a true Wordsmith.

    Sorry didn't mean to get into a rant. :)

    TomasG

  7. The origins of the Voshconnan or Vosh was brought up in one of the un-recovered threads that accidentally got deleted. My thought at the time was that they were the descendants of prisoners that either escaped or were rescued from Stone Gate Prison. The reason that I came to that, now known to be erroneous, conclusion was the robes that the leaders of the Vosh wore matched, with the exception of the length, the jackets that were the standard garb of the prisoners. Chapter 43 changed that perspective because we now know that the tortured and maimed prisoners sacrificed their lives to protect the Gahdar.

    I don't think that it is too far out of line to speculate that some of the adults along with some of the children (perhaps some of the adult relatives and/or children of the Kalorian prisoners from Stone Gate Prison) moved on out of the valley, at some point in time, into the Ardentin Forest and it is their descendants that make up the current population of the Vosh. And that they originally adapted the prison jacket as the robe of the leaders out of respect and in remembrance of those prisoners. I rather doubt it, but perhaps that part of their history had been lost and they are no longer aware of the significance of the robes that the leaders wear. The robes themselves and the Legends and Prophecy of the Protector may be all that remain. Castor was wearing a prison jacket and he was not one of the maimed prisoners. He was still healthy and whole and was at Angels Falls. We really do not know for sure his fate.

    As to the 7081 Kalorians that made it through the gate to Taldor Valoren. I believe that the children, "the greatest treasures and resources of the Second Empire" made up the 7000, or the bulk of it, and the 81 were the adults that went through the gate with and after the children. The Kalorians' knew, in their wisdom,that the children were the future of their race and determined that to save them was the prudent thing to do. They also were wise enough to know that they needed some adults to oversee and insure their survival.

    [an aside]

    Who and what the 7 and 81 were has kind of nagged at me since the first time that they were mentioned. It sounded like there were two separate entities, 7 of this and 81 of that, but when I saw that it was a way of referring to the 7081 who passed through the gate it triggered a memory. I remember that often the way my Grandparents used numbers or more specifically dates they would do so in a like manner. ie. The date 1898 would likely be referred to as 18 and 98. We do something similar even today the difference is the 'and' has been dropped.ie. The year 2010 is spoken either two thousand ten or that which is similar to the above... twenty ten.

    [end aside]

    Now for the Kalorian League. The last people to pass through the gate, after all the children had passed, were members of the Kalorean League. The last person was one of the Founders of the Kalorian League, Catha Savetta. But I am of the opinion that it was part of the plan for members of the Kalorian League to move the cryo units that the Gahdar used to the valley of Domain Carollus. Since the League was/is composed of both male and female I think that is safe to assume that the current League is made up of the descendants of those Kalorians. I believe that it was a part of the plan (we have never been privy to the whole plan) for the Gahdar, if they survived, to make their way to Domain Carollus to sleep in stasis for what was supposed to be 100 years.

    TomasG

  8. Snip... It's also looking like what I've said in the past about the glowing rod is coming true, that it's the com device Jamie used and activated the Barrier.

    ... Snip

    It does appear that the device is one and the same (I'm still not convinced), but if it is then there is an inconsistency in the description:

    From Book 1, Interlude 1, Silver

    The strange piece of metal had been in the library for as long as he could remember. It belonged to his father, and his grandfather before him. In fact, as far as he knew, it had been in the possession of the Aldorian clan for hundreds of years. About a foot in length and an inch square on all four of its sides, it had delicate and highly detailed carvings etched across every surface. The patterns were not figures or even designs Lan recognized, but were instead strange swirling loops, bits of curves and an occasional half circle. On one end of the bar a large hole had been drilled into it. The hole had been tapped to form threads as if something were meant to be screwed into it so that it could be affixed to some larger object.

    From Book 2, Chapter 38

    Unfastening a latch in the center of the chest, Jamie slowly lifted the lid. Inside was a jumble of personal effects, but nestled among them was a thin cylindrical piece of metal. Although small, its weight was surprising for its size, for packed inside was an array of the finest and most advanced technology the Altinestran Empire had to offer.

    We really know of only one of the trio, though that the rest might have suffered the same fate wouldn't surprise me. That the trio decided to fight along side of the Ghadar wasn't that much of a surprise seeing as how much the three admired them.

    ...Snip

    In rereading the chapter, it occurred to me that we have only circumstantial evidence that any of the Trio was killed in the battle at the falls. The ballet slipper was not on the foot of what appeared to be "a charred and mangled leg". It might well have come off during the battle because it was torn so badly that it couldn't stay on and has no relation to the leg. It may be that the Trio was captured along with the rest of the Gahdar. They were dressed like the Gahdar. So IMHO the fate of the Trio still has not been resolved. Remember Jamie.wri's skill at misdirection.

    Jaime.char said:

    “You’ll need this. It'll activate the force field that will protect the valley. It’s keyed to the generator in the caverns of the Canon of the Angels, and the global satellite system. When it’s activated, the force field it generates will mass over top of the valley and settle over the mountain peaks. It will create a dome of energy. It’s the same kind of force field the Empire planned to use at the Canon of the Angels to keep us isolated there. No one will be able to enter, but also no one will be able to get out. It’s keyed to operate for one hundred years. You don’t have to know any more than that, and I’ve run out of time to explain. The Kalorian leadership was briefed. Make sure one of the members of the Kalorian League gets it. I was going to give it to the last one through, but I can’t be sure how long we can continue… how long I can continue. I’m starting to get tired.

    According to the above, the force field (or Barrier) was a dome created to cover and protect "Taldor Valoren" and the Kalorians in the valley.

    Perhaps the only way across the mountains by foot or horseback was by passes into and out of "Taldor Valoren", but then if, as Jamie said, that "No one will be able to enter, but also no one will be able to get out" how were the traders and Seth able to get out of and back into the valley.He did say that the the dome would settle over the "mountain peaks". Maybe it doesn't go all the way to the valley floor. Also if the Barrier was activated immediately after the last person went through the gate and it stretched along the entire mountain range from coast to coast, how did the Empire get the Gahdar and Jamie to Rood? Maybe the com device is a dual purpose device. 1) To be used to deactivate the Barrier, 2) Maybe it is also to used to open some kind of portal into Altinestra. Remember "On one end of the bar a large hole had been drilled into it. The hole had been tapped to form threads as if something were meant to be screwed into it so that it could be affixed to some larger object." like screwing it on to a protrusion converting it into a lever.

    I always thought that Renaud would assassinate the emperor since he was able to get so close to him. In a way he did by using Jamie as his weapon. That was really a great way to accomplish the task. Wonder how Loka gets his. :)

    That's it for now.

    Take care

    TomasG

  9. Earlier this year, I traded my 2007 Mustang for a 2011 Mustang. Something I've noticed is with this one, I have to be bit more careful how quickly I accelerate after turning a corner. A little too much power and the back end wiggles a little. It has a 305hp, V6. Because of this, I've nicknamed the car, 'My little dancer'.

    I'm also the type person who names the car. I decided to to move away from the usual names that I normally use. Can you figure out the name of my car?

    Would that be "Elliott"?

    Take Care

    TomasG

  10. Just saw a post over on the "The Fort" by Kyle

    View Post Kyle, on 19 January 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

    For those who follow The Kandric Saga:Chapter 26 was sent off for posting about 10 minutes ago.As a side note I hope to have a couple more chapters of Defender posted fairly soon.

    Take care

    TomasG

  11. I second that :)I have begun re-reading and I am sorry to report that there seems to be very little 'updating' as far as the story goes. As far as I can see the only update in the first few chapters is the first line of the first chapter. There may be some editing but as to additional content or corrections to suspected errors, nothing I can see. :(

    I am up to chapter 17 and I agree with your observations. There are still a number of wrong word usage and grammatical errors. Also a large number of typographic errors. I understand that nothing is perfect and some errors will slip through any process, but here, there appears to be more than there should be.

    If Kyle did the editing himself, I believe that it comes down to a case of not seeing the forest for the trees. He really needed an editor other than himself and at least one beta reader. That is if he truly was going to do an update.

    Kyle is a very creative writer and Kandric is a good epic story, but could be a great story with proper editing to correct the errors. IMHO, an author (no matter how good and creative they are at story telling) should never be their own editor. They are too close to their creation and would more likely than not fail to see, what to someone else, would be obvious errors.

    FWIW, that is my opinion. I'll not stop reading and following the story, even with the errors and only one chapter a year.

  12. Going to be interesting to read it all again, it has been a long while since I first began to read Kandric, all those years ago, when Kyle first posted chapter 1.

    If memory serves, (and often it doesn't LOL) that was back on the old Ghoul Drool, which was named after the tavern in the story. At the time Myr, Kyle, Ragtopman who did the art work for it, and any number of others who have disappeared over the years were members. Of course it could have been at Doc Raven's Ravens Nest or Boytales. I do recall that it was before Gay Authors came into being, but that's another story.

    As I said... memory doesn't always serve and as I get older history has tendency to become ancient and memory dims a little more.

    Kyle is one of those authors that I rank up there with Jamie, Sequoyah Pendor, and Comicality as favorite online authors, but Kandric is the only story that I have stayed with even with only one chapter a year. Perhaps it should be that Seqouyah and Comicality rank up there with Kyle and Jamie.

  13. I believe that Jonas was Charles' mate. Also that disunion took place and Charles used physical pain to help him fight the madness that comes with disunion.

    From Book 2, Part 2, Chapter 18 when Darion Trapp, the tat ühn•ki, enters Charles' office he finds:

    “ühn•ki?” the Icarian once again called and then stood silently waiting, knowing better than to interrupt again. He hadn’t spent much time with the ühn•ki in the last month, and in the past few days had become a bit concerned about his leader’s sudden isolation.

    It was then that Darion noticed the slender boy had his right hand wrapped around the wrist of his left arm, and it appeared to the tat ühn•ki that the ühn•ki’s fingernails were digging fiercely into his own wrist. When he looked more closely and saw blood trickling down the ühn•ki’s hand, he realized it was more than just appearance.

    I don't think that Jamie ever met Charles in the earlier time line. His antipathy towards Charles is likely because he knows that it was Charles that authorized the raid on Villa Mare Vista and believes that he ordered the killing of Croal. I doubt that he knows that Loka took over the raid without Charles's knowledge and told Darion Trapp to stay out of it, he would take care of it.

    I'm not sure that Charles, in his isolation and in his fight against the madness of disunion, was aware of just how much of the Sh'ônfenn had been subverted to his own purpose by Loka. Did you notice that of the 12 Red and Black that we know survived, only Charles sided with Jamie and Nic and how surprised he was that the other 11 didn't. The 11 that went with Hippolito were evidently Loka loyalist. As was Geoffrey of Batwig. Although, he may just been miffed that he was passed over for elevation to prince.

    Anyway it should all become clear once we get to Part 4 and the end of a very long cliffhanger.

    TomasG

  14. It's raining here and will all day.UPDATE: Chapter 43 is in its third and final edit then it goes into the beta phase.

    Just for the day? It's been raining here everyday for the past week and is expected to continue until at least Tuesday.

    There is a reason for the saying "Oregonians don't tan, they rust". LOL

    Oh well, gives a great excuse for staying indoors, sitting in the overstuffed chair in front of the fireplace with a warm cheerful fire going and a good book and a gigantic mug of mulled cider.

    Take care

    TomasG

  15. Ah, but that would assume the Big Bad Machine is is the generator for the barrier, which it may not be.Either my intellect is failing me or we simply don't have enough information/clues to make a reasoned guess.

    Nope. Not what I said.

    My bad. Too lazy to click on reply. I was responding to TalonRider's comment, not yours.

    The key, I believe is that glowing rod that Lon Aldoran is in possesion of.{b]It's the comm device that Jamie used to program the machine with and is keyed to his DNA.

    Sorry!

  16. Ah, but that would assume the Big Bad Machine is is the generator for the barrier, which it may not be.Either my intellect is failing me or we simply don't have enough information/clues to make a reasoned guess.

    Nope. Not what I said.

    It occurs to me that Jamie programmed it and the console so that a signal would be sent to him over the net that the machine had been activated and he could then send a signal back that would shut it down and prevent its use. (A little sabotage perhaps?).

    Being able to shut it down when it is activated, at least to me, would be to sabotage the plans of the Emperor and Loka, and to prevent them from using it for whatever purpose they had it built. At this point, my inclination is that the machine has nothing to do with the barrier and all to do with the Emperor and his favorites escaping to Argon and his ambition to conquer the Commonwealth.

  17. The key, I believe is that glowing rod that Lon Aldoran is in possesion of.{b]It's the comm device that Jamie used to program the machine with and is keyed to his DNA.[/b] If Loran does know about it, I don't think he will be able to use it. Loran may know about the tunnel thru the mountains and that is why he's going to go thru Taldor Valoran.I think the Circle of Ondra is one of two places mentioned where the orbs were meant to be absorbed by the wizard. I believe the survivor will only have hours to then to absorb the orbs in the correct order or die. For Jamie and Charlie, that is a moot point as they don't need the orbs.The orbs were designed to accept only someone of the High Seraphic class. Someone of the Royal Dominion Class could not safely absorb them.

    The com device and the object that Lan Aldoran has appear to be two different objects.

    From Book2, Chapter 38:

    Jamie slowly lifted the lid. Inside was a jumble of personal effects, but nestled among them was a thin cylindrical piece of metal. Although small, its weight was surprising for its size, for packed inside was an array of the finest and most advanced technology the Altinestran Empire had to offer.

    And from Book 1, Interlude 1, Silver:

    The strange piece of metal had been in the library for as long as he could remember. It belonged to his father, and his grandfather before him. In fact, as far as he knew, it had been in the possession of the Aldorian clan for hundreds of years. About a foot in length and an inch square on all four of its sides, it had delicate and highly detailed carvings etched across every surface. The patterns were not figures or even designs Lan recognized, but were instead strange swirling loops, bits of curves and an occasional half circle. On one end of the bar a large hole had been drilled into it. The hole had been tapped to form threads as if something were meant to be screwed into it so that it could be affixed to some larger object.

    Perhaps Jamie embedded the small cylindrical electronic device in the bar of metal that Lan Aldoran has as a way to keep it from getting lost, or if they are one in the same, there is another explanation for the inconsistency in the descriptions. I think that the metal bar that Lan Aldoran has is the key to the barrier or at least a part of some mechanism to shut the barrier down, but the small electronic device is for a different purpose.

    We know that Jamie coded the small cylindrical device to his DNA, but we don't know at this point what else he programmed into it at the informatics station in the library or what he modifications he may have made to it or to the console at the machine. It occurs to me that Jamie programmed it and the console so that a signal would be sent to him over the net that the machine had been activated and he could then send a signal back that would shut it down and prevent its use. (A little sabotage perhaps?). :)

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