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  1. One of the things I've wondered about is, when did Jamie and Charles meet exactly. To my knowledge, they haven't met yet in the story and can only assume they will be meeting soon. We do know that Charles has known about Jamie for a very long time, but didn't know about Charlie.

    We do know Charles had a mate at one point, but I think the big questions is, were they a mating pair? If they weren't, that could explain why he doesn't appear to suffer disunion. The rose bush in his garden was set up as memorial to his partner. What makes me think of this comes from one of the chapters after Christophe's death where Jamie finds out from one of the Trio that he loved Christophe and he refused to mate due to being in the chair.

    Jonathan could be Charles brother biologically, or in an adopted from. Jonathan could also be from the experimentation that was done on vision which failed, but had an unusual side effect in which he was still able to see, just differently from everyone else. We've seen this demonstrated in Book 1 during Nic's birthday celebration.

    Perhaps Gold Glass was trying to enhance the Red and Blacks and Jonathan was the end result.

    I think Jamie and Charles first 'real' meeting must be in the chapters to come. Of course, Charles may have been the Icarian visitor to Croal or Jamie might have seen him, without being introduced, at one of the various functions he attended, I am sure anyone else there would have been more than eager to fill Jamie in on Charles' power and supposed evil, certainly Miro and the other Gahdar would know all about him. And you know what irrepressible gossips they are :D .

    I don't think disunion inevitably leads to madness and death, that outcome is just very likely. I am sure that at one point Jamie asks Niklas to fight disunion should anything happen to Jamie and protect Charlie. Given a great enough responsibility or need I think it can be overcome.

    The question of Jonathan is very difficult. Jonathan's condition is almost certainly not accidental or a by-product of a failed experiment. Like Jamie, Niklas and Charlie he must have been created outside of official empire view and like them was created for a specific purpose with specific attributes in line with Croal and Jonas' plans. Indeed it would be very Croal-like for Jonathan to be created as Charles' genetic brother in order to ensure he always had powerful protection, just as he did with Jamie (the shield) and Charlie (the weapon). The interesting question is where has Jonathan been.

    I suppose he could have been a 'failed' experiment in that it is fairly obvious there were people in Gold Glass who actively assisted Croal and the resistance and his real 'adjustments' were done secretly with the failed experiment as cover. After that he would have been spirited away and hidden while officially terminated. Alternatively Charles may have been allowed to keep him if he was a true genetic brother, even if a failed experiment, but given the attitude of the empire I think that unlikely, certainly if that was part of a plan to keep Jonathan safe it would have been a very foolhardy one, not likely to succeed.

    Also remember the empire's watchword when creating avionnes was perfection, imperfect production was terminated as happened to those unfortunate to be born blind in the vision experiments.

    Let us hope there some answers in the not too distant future.

  2. No, no, no, no. When Jamie was in the Mondele the Tattoo that developed was complete with the creature pictographs, after stasis it was only the circles and scroll-work for want of a better description, the pictographs were missing until he ingested the relevant orb.

    Could this be the work of Charles? Remember, he had that worm planted that wouldn't become active until sometime after Jamie began his time in stasis.

    Also, if you remember in the last chapter, as Jamie and the Trio were climbing the steps, people were trying to catch a look at the tattoo on his leg.

    I think Hippolito had some knowledge of the Orbs thru Loka. Just how much, we don't know. Loran certainly would have known about the germinus in the Golden Orb. Maybe Hippolito tried to get him to absorb it and Loran told him why he wouldn't. Thus a plan was hatched to get it to Jamie.

    I suspect that Hippolito already suspects that Gude will try something and the shon fenn will be keeping an eye on him.

    I did suggest some time ago that it was the worm Charles introduced that might have been the cause of Jamie losing his wizardly abilities. On the other hand it may just be that he never 'lost' them, he just didn't know he had them, it is difficult to surmise exactly what has happened.

    One thing I noted is that Jamie didn't seem particularly surprised when Charlie returned his memories, almost as if he had remembered most of it anyway, after all he did know where Charlie was, he was also familiar with Argos, knew he had sealed the door to the Hall of Science, or whatever it was called, knew the layout of the place and that the Ghroum were there in stasis, etc. He had been regaining his memories quite quickly while in Konassas, of course, aided by his studies with the 'screen' and through the relics Andrew brought for him. He knew about the gate system etc.

    However the really important point here is that he was able use his wizardly powers in a variety of ways, fireballs, levitation etc, as well as to utilise 'The Great Shout' and 'Time Turning'. All this tends to suggest that he was a fully developed wizard, even if he was only utilising powers originating with the orbs he had ingested.

    None of which is relevant to Hippolito and his activity, of course. Sorry.

  3. As to the current situation, as I see it, Hippolito has left Gude in his dust and the Abbot would love to and even may try something I doubt it would be successful, even against Hippolito.

    The dear Abbot is merely in shock -- temporarily. When have you ever seen him not plotting or planning some evil thing? His lust for power drives him, his self righteous religious indignation is actually for sale for the right price! Even as Hippolito snips the map and defines territory, the mere mention of slaves has the evil wheel turning in his mind! After all, what would a mere 60,000 more deaths mean to someone who has likely supervised the killing of many thousands of other humans during his pitiful life as a Holy Blood Sucker?

    I agree with your time-line for Hippolito's plots concerning Jamie, but I think he will still be around with his 60,000 thrones for a while yet. I suspect his plan is to get to the Circle of Ondra after Jamie or Loran has prevailed but before the winner can re-absorb the orbs. That would really be the only window of opportunity he would have to get rid of the only real danger as he would presumably see it, a fully empowered wizard. No doubt he doesn't realise that Jamie is already a full wizard, if that is, Jamie has got his full powers. If he has then having got his memories back he must know he is and that he is not in any danger from the 'worm'. But there again, why did he lose the tattoo that marks him as a wizard? It developed while he was at the Mondele but was gone when he came out of stasis.

    Jamie did not loose the tattoo he got when he reached puberty. The tattoo is intact even after stasus , what is being added are the icons or symbols for the individual Orbs.

    I think Hippolitos knowledge of the Orbs is rather limited. He has no idea of the subtleties of the Orbs themselves nor the powers they instill. Further, I think sending the Orb of the Lion to Jamie really was Loran's idea, not Hippolito (as tempting as that theory might be), it implies more understanding of the Orbs than I think Hippolito really posesses. Hippolito is really just your average snoopy house keeper with a vastly swollen head and delusions of grandeur encouraged by Savaron Loka for his own benefit.

    cheers,

    dioscuri

    No, no, no, no. When Jamie was in the Mondele the Tattoo that developed was complete with the creature pictographs, after stasis it was only the circles and scroll-work for want of a better description, the pictographs were missing until he ingested the relevant orb.

    As to Hippolito, I am sure he has no idea of the subtleties of anything, and as I said, while Gude will no doubt plot and scheme in his notably evil way, most of his efforts would be directed at bolstering his power where he can, among the native population. The disparity between the iron age society that currently exists and the Icarians, even the Thrones, is too great for the ordinary people to be more than an inconvenience. Besides which, I would say Hippolito could give Gude lessons in ruthlessness that would shock even that old man.

  4. Yes, I would agree, this chapter did not advance the story very much.

    Obviously something goes wrong with the plan, of course, else Jamie and the Gahdar wouldn't have ended up at Rood.

    The fact that Jamie and the Ghadar end up at Rood as Entertainment Execution is a mere glitch in the master plan. The glitch is cleared up when the Empire is stupid enough to threaten Nicklas' life in front of his bonded mate thus incurring the wrath of an almost fully developed Imperial. This turns out (I gather ) to be an illustration of the craft of Croal and his deciples in creating Jamie, Niklas and the Ghadar! With a small earth quake, and some fire balls and perhaps some lightening, the plan gets back on track more or less.

    And what about the rest of the Icarians? In book 1 we have only encountered about 150 surviving, about a fifth of the Icarian population at the time. What happened to the Icarian populations in Eagles Rock and other places, what happened to the Gahdar nestlings?

    We don't know that there are any Ghadar nestlings. We don't know if that "experiment" was cancelled or if it continued. We await that answer to.

    150 surviving Icarians? No ... 51 Duets (the Ghadar) make 102 plus Nicklas is 103, then 1000 PAIRS of the Wizard's own protectorate which he awakened, then the Princes and Scribes of the Icarian Government and so forth, I think that makes in excess of 2200 Icarians. There are, as I believe is pointed out in several places, questions about what happened to the rest, but we have no information at all about those nor do we know what's on the other side of the barrier.

    If you notice that Taldor Valeron trades regularly with the farmers from the Green Valley (destroyed by Loran) and are well known by the keepers of the vineyards where the Ghadar are sequestered. This raises questions about the lineage of the farmers from the barrier all the way up to the North where Domain Carolus is. We also do not know who the Vache are either!

    Jamie's Plan is not a failure by any means, it just didn't go off exactly as planned. However, I think things were planned so that they would not go off as planned. This is complexity theory! So, we await 2 chapters and 4 Interludes as well as another book!

    cheers,

    dioscuri

    Ah, but the plan does go wrong, as Moltke said after Clausewitz "No ... plan survives first contact with the enemy". What we don't know is just how far wrong it goes and what the results are.

    I know it is Christmas and there is probably much good cheer of liquid variety around but, "However, I think things were planned so that they would not go off as planned." is a little, er, um, not quite right :D

    As to numbers of Icarians, I was referring to those known, the Wizards Own were not common knowledge, besides which it isn't relevent, except in the sense of maybe my asking, "And what about the rest of the non military Icarians? In book 1 we have only encountered about 150 surviving, about a fifth ...."

    Anyway, as you say '... we await 2 chapters and 4 Interludes as well as another book!'

  5. I'm sure Hippolito believes he's conned Loran out of those 60,000 thrones. However, remember that Loran has absorbed half o f the orbs and has gained considerable power. Once he realizes that the Pass of Tears if blocked by the Iron Regiment, and that most of his thousand thrones have been knocked off by the Kalorean Archers acting as snipers along the approaches to the pass, what is his reaction going to be? Miro and co. have already hit hard at the 20,000 thrones resident in the city they've destroyed, the little innocent looking kids have handily slain almost 400 of those thrones as they slept in the palace and Miro's Ghadar have easily taken care of 4 'toons of thrones .... the kill rate for Loran's thrones who are not even engaged in battle yet is rather high.

    Loran is quite capable off calling back the thrones or at least disrupting Hippolito's control over them as he realises that he's in more trouble than he thought. Hippolito has very likely underestimated Abbot Gude. The level of the Abbot's treachery nearly equals that of any in the old Empire. I wouldn't put it past Gude to slip into the Throne encampment and slaughter as many as they could at night.... or more easily, like he did with the previous Abbot, simply poison them.

    There are just to many surprises waiting for both Loran and Hippolito to predict what will actually happen.

    Its in one of the Interludes in the Second Book where Hippolito is getting ready for one of the Emperor's fancy dress balls where he flounces in from riding dropping his clothes on the floor as he strips, showers, the admires himself in the mirror. As he's dressing Loka asks what he's learned about "your dancer friend". Hippolito answers ... nothing new.

    Its at this point that Loka reveals what he's learned about Jamie's plans and changes to the stage for the Emperor's birthday party that he becomes aware that he's really missed the ball on Jamie. Loka also lets slip that Jamie, as an Imperial, is in line behind Loran as scribe for the Seraphic throne. At this point, Hippolito thinks about himself with a crown on his head. He thinks that it wouldn't take much for Alexander to have an accident which would almost automatically put Loran out of the running for Wizard and elevate Jamie to that position. It's at this point Hippolito begins plotting to kill Alexander and become betrothed to Jamie.

    They still do not know about the previous betrothal set up by Croal for Jamie and Nicklas. He is also unaware that Jamie and Nicklas have physically bonded. Hippolito plots without complete information on Jamie's status as bonded mate to Nicklas.

    Date all of Hippo's plots from here. This is when he starts trying to get under Jamie's skin and irritate him in an attempt to get him to give up information. He's also desperate for information to please his master, Savaron Loka. I don't think it even crosses Hippolito's mind that Loka and the Empire's plans might fail completely. He's sneaky alright, but not necessarily that smart!

    dioscuri

    Good points, certainly possible, although I suspect that Loran will simply steamroller his way through, losing his army as he goes. After all he will be fixated on arriving at the Circle of Ondra, or the road to it, in order to intercept Jamie before he arrives if possible. We know from Jamie's advice to Brotus and the Taldor Valoren elders that Loran cannot be stopped by them, only his troops are vulnerable. I can't see him sending for reinforcements unless he thinks he himself has been blocked from gaining Ondra.

    I agree that Hippolito is definitely sneaky rather than smart, in fact for an Icarian, I would say he was downright retarded. His confidence and sense of superiority is born entirely of his arrogance, inflated from his standing within the shadow of Savaron Loka's very real power, power he has manipulated (or so he thinks) to get his way. He never learns from his mistakes as he never makes mistakes, it always someone or something else's fault if things go wrong just as he fails to realise that without Loka and his power behind him he has very little chance of out-manoeuvring Jamie or any other Icarian come to that.

    As to the current situation, as I see it, Hippolito has left Gude in his dust and the Abbot would love to and even may try something I doubt it would be successful, even against Hippolito.

    I agree with your time-line for Hippolito's plots concerning Jamie, but I think he will still be around with his 60,000 thrones for a while yet. I suspect his plan is to get to the Circle of Ondra after Jamie or Loran has prevailed but before the winner can re-absorb the orbs. That would really be the only window of opportunity he would have to get rid of the only real danger as he would presumably see it, a fully empowered wizard. No doubt he doesn't realise that Jamie is already a full wizard, if that is, Jamie has got his full powers. If he has then having got his memories back he must know he is and that he is not in any danger from the 'worm'. But there again, why did he lose the tattoo that marks him as a wizard? It developed while he was at the Mondele but was gone when he came out of stasis.

  6. Ah, but that would assume the Big Bad Machine is is the generator for the barrier, which it may not be.Either my intellect is failing me or we simply don't have enough information/clues to make a reasoned guess.

    Nope. Not what I said.

    My bad. Too lazy to click on reply. I was responding to TalonRider's comment, not yours.

    The key, I believe is that glowing rod that Lon Aldoran is in possesion of.{b]It's the comm device that Jamie used to program the machine with and is keyed to his DNA.

  7. TalonRider, you are absolutely right! And congratulations on being able to show how stepping back from a first reading, then looking at a single sentence again, can give so much added meaning!

    I had seen that Jamie standing there in the Council chambers and in essence giving a lecture on Altinestran history, but had not seen the full importance of the statement about only the true Wizard of Icaria being able to unlock and pass the wall of protection. It seems that there is some mechanism in place that will weed out pretenders to the roll of Wizard even before presenting at the Tower of Agramon in thee Circle of Ondra for the Ceremonial Inspection. For obvious reasons Loran cannot pass because he will arrive without a bonded mate. Jamie, however, even if he arrives by himself without Niklas actually present, will be recognized as Wizard because he has a bonded mate who can become King.

    Here is where Alexander himself may still play a roll, even after his death (physical death that is). In some way, Alexander may still be able to shape the future of Icaria! Likely his love for Loran will be the way in which he removes his mate from the competition for Wizard of Icaria. Alexander needs to be reunited with his bonded mate, as does Loran. Perhaps it is that Loran will not be able to resist Alexander's call to him.

    Oh my! here i go again, trying to second guess an author! Alexander cannot be happy to have had his life ended early by Hippolito. Alexander will want justice at least (and perhaps regenge as well) for his murder! Against the ghost of Alexander, Hippolito cannot prevail. You cannot kill a ghost!

    In any case, only a true Wizard can unlock Icaria. A true Wizard has a bonded mate who will be King. Can the end of this part of the story be this simple? It has been said that the simplest solution is always the best and/or correct one! I have experienced that principal at work many times myself. The simpler the solution the more elegant it is. The scientist Croal would appreciate the meaning of my last statement!

    The last piece of the puzzle is always the easiest to put in place!

    cheers, and light

    dioscuri

    Hhhmmm, I think maybe that is a bit optimistic, after all, from what we apparently know both Jamie and Loran have to be in the Circle of Ondra. That said, I seem to recall that the 'key' for the barrier is in Taldor Valoran, whether Loran knows that or not I can't remember. Still it is not too long before we find these things out, I hope :rolleyes:

  8. The fly in the ointment here is that TSOI remains unfinished so we cannot compare the success or failure of jamie.wri. Jamie.wri's Ace is that he is a skilled (professional) technical writer. Of all writing skills, I think that is the most difficult one to master. One must be able to step away from the subject and see it as others would see it, assist them in understanding it in a way which assists them in using the description or set of instructions to get full value from what ever is being written about.

    I would just like to say I am not in any way disparaging Jamie.wri as an author. TSOI is right up there with the greats of sci/fi and Jamie.wri is certainly able to stand with Arthur C Clarke, Asimov, Niven et al.

  9. It seems the writing I seem to like, is writing in which the author really develops his all his characters not just the main protagonists.

    I couldn't agree more. The book I found with the most excellent characterisation was Frank Herbert's 'Dune'. That was the first book I read multiple times, and will read again, in fact, it is the only book where I literally turned from the last page and started again at the first page. And I enjoyed it even more the second time. If it hadn't been for one of my teachers giving it to me one day with an 'I think you would this' I might never have read it. He also leant me the 'Sot Weed Factor', another excellent book.

    Well, having helped take the forum completely off topic I had better go.

    But first as a little redress, I also agree Jamie.wri provides excellent characterisation, not quite the level Frank Herbert achieved with 'Dune', but then, Herbert himself rarely did so, only, I think, with 'The Dragon in the Sea', but it is a long time since I have read it and maybe I was thinking of 'The Eyes of Heisenberg'.

  10. I wouldn't agree there. I think the Empire was long well aware of the Avione intelligence and potential, if I recall correctly the only reason the project was continued once they realised just how great that potential was, was their inability to reproduce naturally, thus allowing the Empire ultimate control.

    Again I am not too sure, but I think there was a clue somewhere that suggested Hippolito either sabotaged the battlecom where Alexander died on instructions from, or was present as an observer for, Loka. Indeed I strongly doubt Hippolito had the technical knowledge, or acumen, to do the sabotage himself. Remember this happened in front of a house full of Gahdar who would have recognised anything obviously wrong with the battlecom which suggests the sabotage was quite subtle, perhaps even a remote control command overide or similar in Hippolito's pocket.

    Anyway, I am determined not to re-read anything until we have the final version.

    I am currently reading 'Towers of Midnight' the penultimate Wheel of Time book, which I feel has been a little spoiled by my re-reading the entire series before reading 'The Gathering Storm' as it had been so long in coming due to Robert Jordan's unfortunate ill health. It might, of course, simply be that I am reacting to the slightly different technique of Brandon Sanderson, still time will tell.

  11. I think the real question here is whether the plot to make Hippolito king was Savaron Loka's from the beginning or did he see the possibilities after Hippolito had eliminated Alexander.

    Clearly a noble soul like Alexander would have rung alarm bells all the way as a potential king with someone like Loka. Although he may well have been arrogant enough to believe he could control any situation.

    Was it Loka all the time or was it a case of Hippolito manoeuvring Loka or Loka manipulating Hippolito?

    Perhaps we shall find out, or since it is hardly crucial to the story, not.

  12. What we know about Taldor Valoran, we've learned after the Icarians woke from stasis. Apparently, the valley was known during the time of the Empire as Jamie used a gate to take Brotus there and Ludewik and Barsetba home. It's possible that some of the Kalorians fled to the valley and stayed there. Then during the great cleanseings, it was thought the valley was inhabitable so the plague victims were driven there to die. Now that I think about it, we have a possible place to find more stasis units.

    Given the mating bond, and Jamie's temper, I think we can expect a very explosive situation when it comes to Castle Rood.

    At the risk of going off topic, I've worked with David on his 'Book of Hero's' series. At one point, he was offered and accepted Hosted Author status at Gay Authors. He eventually backed out of the offer due to health concerns.

    Dan Kirk has some excellent sci-fi/fantasy stories, like his Do Over series, Sins of the Father, Rich Boy series, The Riders Pride, and others.

    Then there's Alan Smithee with his Valdemar FanFiction, Tests of Blood.

    I've always assumed, without any actual evidence, that Taldor Valoren was most likely an Imperial holding - sort of an Imperial (Hunting) Forest or Imperial Retreat, that kind of thing. It would certainly be a typical contender for that kind of thing, isolated, pristine, salubrious, i.e. a highly desirable get away place. Thus there would have been a resident, probably majority, Kalorian staff already in a good and safe position to try to preserve as much civilisation as possible while the Icarians were in stasis.

    We know that the residents of Domain Carolus were Kalorian in origin, and we can reasonably assume the Vosh were also, given their cultural connection to the Prison of Pain. In fact I would say that the majority of the present population were probably of Kalorian stock, whether they realise it or not. As with most Empires the 'master' population, in this case human, would have been concentrated in the cities while the great majority of the country dwellers would be from the 'lower' races, Kalorian in this case. Note that Jamie's home of Isewier was almost 100% Kalorian, the human nobility, army and whatever rarely left Imperialis, the regional capital. The workers, overseers, managers and even research staffs were all Kalorian. The rules governing normal population change/adjustment would suggest that after the fall of a civilisation on the Altinestran scale the majority of survivors would have been from rural areas. Especially as I doubt very much there were any Kalorians at the time willing to help the dispossessed and plague-ravaged human element.

    The difference with those in Taldor Valoren, Domain Carolus and by implication the Farzeti who may have been human rather than Kalorian, and probably others we know nothing of as yet, is really only in that they know their geneology and also had specific duties/responsibilities to pass on through subsequent generations. The Vosh don't quite come into this for all they have strong cultural Kalorian roots, re the prison of pain, they seem to have lost much of their geneological history, not surprising given their nomadic life.

    I also like most of Dan Kirks writing, as well as Alan Smithy and David MacLeod. I thought Dio Beckstead's two stories were the best sci/fi on that site, unfortunately real life captured him and he has been gone for several years now.

    If you like Tolkienesque writing I would suggest you read this author: C M Denton. "The Lays of Morèyar" is presumably a trilogy currently in writing. The first book, 'The Children of Akka' is available on the link, and in paperback via Amazon et al, the second book 'The Ascension and the End' is on the link and nearing completion. Highly recommended.

  13. Hhhmmm.

    The release of the virus was already scheduled in the Empire's 'Retreat to Argon' plan, so if the evacuation actually took place, even partially, then it would have been released, however I still think Renaud kills the Emperor and the evacuation and all that goes with it is thwarted.

    I don't think Jamie's comment of ten thousand deaths necessarily would refer to the virus, the Empire was blood-thirsty enough to have killed millions over the years and the Sh’ônfenn were the Empire's enforcers, but you could well be right.

    Perhaps it was released and that was why the stasis units were reset for 2000 years, but hold on, Charlie has already been put in stasis so his unit would reset after one hundred years. It has always puzzled me how such widely dispersed units could all have been reset, made even more puzzling by the fact that some were markedly different, Charlie's and Lance/Matthew, some were installed by the Empire and some were installed by various factions of the resistance.

    I now think it must have been Jamie using his Time-Turner powers, why it became necessary I have no idea. Of course the simple answer would be that the units required confirmation at the end of their set sequence and simply continued operating until that was received or power level deterioration forced the issue, but in that case there would have had to have been certainty that someone was available to issue the confirmation, which couldn't be assured, so that rather kills that.

    We will just have to wait.

  14. Hhmmm, I hadn't thought of a giant status unit. Jamie has said we will find out in the interlude what that giant machine is underground.

    About the only thing we know about the barrier is that it's blocking the way to The Circle of Ondra and to the Tower of Argamon. And speaking of the tower, does anyone else think it odd that Ludiwic is the only person to mention the barrier and the tower? No one from the other kingdoms has said anything. It's almost like no one has ever thought about trying to find a way across the mountains.

    The focus of Part 4 is going to be on Jamie and Loran, and getting to the Circle.

    Thanks for the tip re the machine, that it is big, important, probably crucial to the story and obviously very powerful but no other knowledge has irritated me since I first read it.

    The other kingdoms are aware of the barrier and told Jamie et al that it extended all the way around and even encompassed part of the sea. Many attempts were made to breach it but none were successful and eventually any interest among the ruling classes waned and it passed out of general knowledge.

    Remember that the planet was reduced to an iron age level after the Fall and the Church kept them there, not to mention that any form of travel was difficult at best, you couldn't rely on inns and villages to provision you off of the established intercity routes.

    Ludwig and his people are aware of it because they can actually see it, if the weather is right, as they leave the Pass of Tears.

  15. As an update, we still have two chapters to go in Part 3, followed by the Interlude, so in the sense, we have six chapters go.

    We may never know what happens to The Trio. Did they go out in a blaze of glory or did they escape? There is the possibility that they survived and are somewhere on the other side of the barrier. Currently we can only assume that there were survivors on the other side. The bulk of the story has taken place on the north side of it.

    Yes, I did wonder if there was any life left on the Altinestran side, if so, why the barrier? And with all the advanced tech and more importantly, technicians there how come they didn't drop the barrier and take over the rest of the continent? See, now you've introduced another uncertainty wacko

    Given that it has been 2000+ years I can't see there being anyone there at this time. So what happened to them? OMG! Is Jamie a mass murderer as well as a failure? :o Or is the barrier a country sized stasis unit and they are all asleep?

    Joking aside, even with two more chapters there still seems a lot to resolve, one hell of a lot of 'i's to dot and 't's to cross, although those resolutions could, and probably will, be revealed in Book 3, I suppose. Especially since there is a book 3, after all, you don't need a whole book to say "and they all lived happily ever after". At least I hope there is a book 3.

  16. Yes, I would agree, this chapter did not advance the story very much.

    Obviously something goes wrong with the plan, of course, else Jamie and the Gahdar wouldn't have ended up at Rood.

    The question is, just how far wrong does it go? After all, thousands of Kalorians are presumably making their way to the Stone Gate. How long were they left hanging and how many died as a result? Or did word get out to delay everything at the eleventh hour? And what happens to Trio Chrysalis and the rest of the Mondele? Does anyone else find their absence from Book 1 ominous?

    And what about the rest of the Icarians? In book 1 we have only encountered about 150 surviving, about a fifth of the Icarian population at the time. What happened to the Icarian populations in Eagles Rock and other places, what happened to the Gahdar nestlings?

    Did Jamie's plan go that wrong? Is he a FAILURE? angry1

    If there is only one more chapter to go there are still an awful lot of questions unanswered :o

  17. This was quite a good fantasy story, but nothing has appeared since vol.2 ch.8. The author did say he had several chapters available following that but perhaps real life has upset his applecart again.

    I know many people won't read a story until it is complete to save the disappointment if, or in many cases, when it suddenly stops. It is certainly understandable to react that way, especially when only a minority of authors bother to post that they are falling behind or won't be able to post anything for a while, or post a sit-rep when they are in hiatus. Personally I occupy a sort of halfway house, if there is a long, unexplained gap I no longer read the story if posting resumes until I am confident the posts have re-established some regularity. The alternative is to keep re-reading what has gone before, but I found that often made the story 'stale' and I lost interest that way.

    There are some exceptions, of course, for really excellent stories like the scrolls and kandric I take whatever I can get, when I can get it. Although I sometimes wonder if I'll actually live to read the last instalment. :P

    Even more sadly I know several authors who seem rarely if ever to finish a story, presumably they get bored with what they are writing and start something new, then get bored .... get bored .... you know what I mean, I'm sure.

    I dislike collaborative and participatory stories as well, they always resolve to the slowest contributor with updates every three or four months if you are lucky. No doubt such writing is very satisfactory to the authors, but it is very off-putting for the reader.

    Still, the writers are not 'professionals' and we readers don't have to pay for our pleasure so we shouldn't complain, but that doesn't mean our disappointment has no value either.

  18. I'm currently working with an author who is doing a fanfic version of this story, with Kyles permission. I won't say who that author is since it has not appeared online yet.

    I take it since a year has gone by this never came to fruition. Pity really, the world of Kandric is a very interesting construct.

    P

  19. It is more of a 'filler' than anything else

    I think perhaps I was a little harsh in my dismissal there, as usual the multiple plot layers and brief allusions to other plot lines require several readings to really appreciate all the information in there.

    For such a complex story there are few plot errors, and those are mostly minor. The only plot line which appears to have a glaring error and has bugged me for several chapters concerns Gambra. The story suggests that she is a well known mage in Junsac, not suspected of any dark affiliation, but is known and sought after as a totally evil dark mage in Black Rapids. While there is obviously no friendship, at least historically, between Vondum and the Watch I would have thought that knowledge of such a powerful and evil creature would have been common as the two cities obviously have regular contact.

    There are, I suppose, various ways around this, that she was not known as 'Gambra' in Junsac and no one twigged she was that person or that the name was known in Black Rapids but nothing else. However, in my reading of the story, neither of these or any other possibility I have thought of would satisfactorily explain this apparent error. Aside from that, with a little judicious editing I have always believed that this is an eminently publishable story. http://thetalon.ipbhost.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

  20. Kyle Aarons has posted chapter 25 at both GA (secretly) and the Wolfsnest. :)

    It is more of a 'filler' than anything else, expanding on Kandric's antecedents, dragon history and lore (including a neat 'circle event'), exposes the relative geographic positions of the main characters and tidies up a few loose threads.

    Unfortunately Kandric doesn't actually get back into Bloody Rock, and we don't see any more of the mysterious elf (whose response to the magical emanations created by Kandric's felling of the two dragons indicates ............ I won't spoil it if you haven't worked it out) taken under the King's wing and there is little real 'action'.

    Still, with a lot of 'dead wood' out of the way chapter 26 should be much more exciting. Hopefully it won't be too many months in coming.

    :)

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